tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6732274191821624755.post2518156365638138125..comments2023-07-31T21:48:01.185+01:00Comments on Fanáticos da Ópera / Opera Fanatics: Jonas Kaufmann e Eva-Maria Westbroek – Gémeos fantásticos no Met / Fantastic twins at the Metwagner_fanatichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09624184063174356078noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6732274191821624755.post-41384556902762687582011-05-01T15:44:45.765+01:002011-05-01T15:44:45.765+01:00Very interesting discussion. I've also read th...Very interesting discussion. I've also read the "artificial voice darkening" accusation and, like most people here, couldn't tell if it is true.<br /><br />As for journalists being influenced by the recording industry, I have no doubt that many are, in one way or another. Still, read a lot, listen a lot, and you start to understand some.<br /><br />At least I hope so :-)Gihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05744082103218921773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6732274191821624755.post-72664435668662891462011-04-30T14:17:30.548+01:002011-04-30T14:17:30.548+01:00I used to be a professional singer and i have oft...I used to be a professional singer and i have often heard colleagues criticizing very hard and constantly singers who were much better than themselves, pointing their so called technique errors, and most of the time it was so ridiculous. Of course even good or excellent singers may have some lacks, or make errors, and people with a good ear can hear that, but all these people who (are so convinced to) know better than everyone else, they are a real pain.Athemagnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6732274191821624755.post-22448827417491701542011-04-28T05:30:41.711+01:002011-04-28T05:30:41.711+01:00Dear lotus-eater,
Thank for your extensive and in...Dear lotus-eater,<br /><br />Thank for your extensive and informative comment. I think everybody agrees with what you wrote. <br /><br />Concerning Kaufmann, what puzzles me more is the hard criticism that is made on him in Germany, his home land, and by Germans. (And yes, you are right, google translator is very bad to translate German).<br /><br />Of course I accept that professional musicians can make accurate criticism when they listen to someone. But if you take into consideration international reviews, like those made this time in the USA important newspapers about Kaufmann's Siegmund, the vast majority of them are very positive about his performance. Do you think these professional people who write these reviews are also very much influenced by the star-making-system of the recording companies and media?<br />I do not think so. There is something else beyond Kaufmann's good looks. That thing is his art of singing, and I am glad to see that you recognise he is a great singer. <br />I also can not judge if he darkens his voice, but I believe he does not. I think he is not so stupid to do it and damage the voice (I always heard him sounding like now). But even in the unlikely eventuality that he does it, we have to admit that he does it perfectly, because it sounds great and unique.<br />And, as you say, this kind of discussion is good for the opera.<br />Again, thank you for your extensive and interesting comment.FanaticoUmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15851818873030262585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6732274191821624755.post-46249444953710250932011-04-28T00:50:06.757+01:002011-04-28T00:50:06.757+01:00Re: Kaufmann's look
Sorry to say it, but on a...Re: Kaufmann's look<br /><br />Sorry to say it, but on account of the bad google translator you don't understand very well what's discussing on my blog. <br /><br />I'm sure, most of those who criticize Kaufmann(sometimes too hard) heard him live. Under the commantators there are some professional singers. Besides, some people can judge the performance of musicians without listening live. For example, my last piano teacher who is a great Lieder-accompanist, like many professional musicians, hardly go to the concerts, but he can give a precise criticism through the recordings. Those who with well-trained ears listen different. <br /> <br />At the moment Kaufmann is a mega star, but he used to sing for years at several small theaters in Germany. I remember that until 2007 he came to Heidelberg regularly. Heidelberg is a rich city, but regarding opera it's just a province. At that time peopole didn't pay attention to Kaufmann that much, because he was not famous. <br />Even in Zürich other top stars like Thomas Hampson got more applaus than Kaufmann. Some people might think, if someone is famous, he deserves to get more attentioin. <br /><br />There's no doubt that Kaufmann is a good singer. But he is also the product of the star-making-system of the recording companies and media. <br />Frankly he is not my type of man, but very photogenic. The nice pictures make people believe that this guy looks great and also sings well. It causes people to buy CDs and go to the operas. <br /><br />The current Kaufmmania reminds me of the case of the pianist Ivo Pogorelich. He was and is a good pianist, but there're many pianists in his level. What caused Pogorelich-boom was his look. He was not only photogenic, but also an adonis in his youth. He profited a lot out of it. Why not? <br /><br />For a singer good looking is more important than that of the pianists, because the opera is a sing theater. Kaufmann is a good singer. But if he were fat and ugly, he could have never caused such a boom as Kaufmmania. That's the point of the discussion. <br /><br />I take it as a natural thing. We audience are also human beings. Who wouldn't like it if a good looking singer performs as Romeo or Juliette as long as his or her performance works well? The better looking people are mostly more beloved. According to the study in America, good looking people earns generally more. It's unfair, but that's the life. <br /><br />Some say that Kaufmann darkens his voice in unnatural way. I cannot judge it, because I didn't learn singing. If he does it or not, we are going to see in the future. <br /><br />Whatever, I'm glad about Kaufmann's success. His popularity would help the opera buisiness. Some go to the opera out of curiosity and get to be real fans. For the future of the opera we need them more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6732274191821624755.post-23585590895813304082011-04-27T23:30:17.450+01:002011-04-27T23:30:17.450+01:00@ Elsa,
Surgirão mais comentários aqui no blogue ...@ Elsa,<br /><br />Surgirão mais comentários aqui no blogue ainda antes do Met Live na Gulbenkian, pela mão do wagner_fanatic. <br />Estou certo que será óptimo na Gulbenkian (também conto lá estar, depois de 2 récitas ao vivo aqui em NY) porque penso que conseguirão abafar os ruidos da máquina e, para além do Kaufmann e da Westbroek, há outros cantores de grande qualidade.<br /><br />@ Dissoluto,<br /><br />Já tinha percebido pela leitura do seu blogue que também cá viria. Estou certo que não se vai arrepender e fico desde já muito curioso por saber a sua opinião. "Mostra-nos" sempre algo a que não prestámos a devida atenção e que é, acertivamente, bem notado.FanaticoUmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15851818873030262585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6732274191821624755.post-52167386194293123172011-04-27T22:49:54.745+01:002011-04-27T22:49:54.745+01:00Lá estará uma alma dissoluta...Lá estará uma alma dissoluta...Il Dissoluto Punitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09311312302358839131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6732274191821624755.post-89900919755345090062011-04-27T15:43:12.192+01:002011-04-27T15:43:12.192+01:00Tudo preparado para a «récita» da Gulbenkian. A ex...Tudo preparado para a «récita» da Gulbenkian. A expectativa dos wagnerianos só pode estar no grau máximo! :-)))Elsa Mendesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6732274191821624755.post-83197484689641294842011-04-27T15:35:11.485+01:002011-04-27T15:35:11.485+01:00Plácido
Infelizmente, sim. Já viu se a Caballé te...Plácido<br /><br />Infelizmente, sim. Já viu se a Caballé terminasse a sua carreira precocemente só porque era gorda?<br />A Voigt de que fala, acho que foi de um mau gosto atroz o que lhe fizeram na ROH. Se a cantora está melhor agora, sim, claro que sim.<br /><br />Mas o que queria enfatizar com o meu comentário é que os cantores podem também ser penalizados por serem demasiado "bonitos". Isto na linha do que escrever o FanaticoUm relativamente a Kaufmann.Alberto Velez Grilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16608286631692793626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6732274191821624755.post-35207005052384071572011-04-27T15:29:43.188+01:002011-04-27T15:29:43.188+01:00@Alberto,
Ter ligações profissionais com algumas ...@Alberto,<br /><br />Ter ligações profissionais com algumas das cidades onde se pode ver ópera de excelente qualidade é uma mais valia considerável!!<br />Mais comentários surgirão brevemente.<br /><br />Penso que o que refere se aplica bem ao Jonas Kaufmann. Não nego que, para quem vê (e não para quem só ouve), se o aspecto do(a) cantor(a) for compatível com o da personagem, ajuda, mas o principal é o canto. Acresce ainda que, na ópera, muitas vezes se está suficientemente afastado do palco para não se conseguirem ver muitos pormenores, ou os cantores estão de tal forma "mascarados" na personagem que mal se percebe o que está "por baixo".<br />Sei que não parecia o timbre do Kaufmann, mas estou certo que se o ouvisse ao vivo mudava de opinião. E, sobretudo, quando tão bem acompanhado, como foi este caso.<br /><br /><br />@ Placido,<br /><br />A Deborah Voight era, de facto, uma mulher de peso excessivo. Mas, para mim, cantava melhor então do que agora.<br /><br />Nesta Valquiria (penso que a irá ver no Met Live) há outra cantora com compleição física semelhante à da Debora Voight de outrora mas que tem um desempenho vocal extraordinário - Stephanie Blythe como Fricka. Não se mexeu (aparece num trono bizarro) mas a voz é de tal forma poderosa que quase fez tremer o chão do Met (lol)!FanaticoUmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15851818873030262585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6732274191821624755.post-20423613295483459242011-04-27T14:46:13.842+01:002011-04-27T14:46:13.842+01:00Alberto,
Infelizmente?????? Preferiria a Debora Vo...Alberto,<br />Infelizmente?????? Preferiria a Debora Voigt como era antes, portanto????<br />(Desculpe o uzo excessivo de pontos de exclamação, é para dar ênfase, lol)Plácido Zacariashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15710735406060511794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6732274191821624755.post-91829010269504380362011-04-27T09:56:14.655+01:002011-04-27T09:56:14.655+01:00Caro FanaticoUm
Outra vez na minha cidade preferi...Caro FanaticoUm<br /><br />Outra vez na minha cidade preferida? Começo a ficar com inveja (risos). Aguardo mais comentários.<br /><br />Quanto ao Kaufman, as críticas que lhe fazem são um sinal dos tempos. Infelizmente começa a dar-se valor demasiado ao aspecto físico dos cantores. Isto pode ser uma faca de dois bicos, isto é, um cantor por ter boa aparência física, pode ser injustamente criticado do ponto de vista vocal.<br /><br />Cumprimentos musicaisAlberto Velez Grilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16608286631692793626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6732274191821624755.post-91695847968064208312011-04-27T00:29:11.705+01:002011-04-27T00:29:11.705+01:00Caro Paulo,
Caberá ao wagner_fanatic, que também a...Caro Paulo,<br />Caberá ao wagner_fanatic, que também anda por estas bandas, o comentário alargado à Valquíria impressionante que se pode ver aqui no Met. Tenho imensa vontade de escrever mais sobre ela, pois ainda há muito muito a dizer, mas tenho que me conter, pelo menos por ora, para cumprir o que combinámos.FanaticoUmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15851818873030262585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6732274191821624755.post-22136026888921478772011-04-26T23:49:53.732+01:002011-04-26T23:49:53.732+01:00Como calcula, estamos em pulgas por saber mais. Fi...Como calcula, estamos em pulgas por saber mais. Fico contente, para já, pelo que toca aos gémeos.Paulohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381841591299117606noreply@blogger.com